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Ayaan Hirsi Ali: The left and the radical islam are the new challenges for the feminist movement

av | 20 maj, 2017 | Debatt

Lästid: 7 minuter

As long as I can remember I have been fascinated by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, called among many other things ”Islams most eloquent apostate”. Not only because she openly criticizes Islam and the oppression of women in its name, but also because of her courage to leave Islam with her own life at stake. Here is my interview with Ms Ali, from a telephone conversation on may 18, 2017 – about death of the old feminism movement, contemporary islam and the future of Europe.

The Somali born writer now lives in United States and continues to write about one of the most provocative topic of our time. She is also the kind of feminist I lack among many of those who call themselves feminists today, those pussyhat-clad crowds that in fact do nothing to support and free women in a world were no woman any more can take her liberty for granted.
I contacted the Ayaan Hirsi Ali-foundation in early April, mostly because I wanted to talk to ms Ali and have her opinion on our European society of today. What will happen to our radically changing world and what kind of future is Europe facing? The interview took place in the evening of may 18 and I got the possibility to talk to ms Ali for thirty minutes on the phone at her location in Washington DC.
Ms Ali spoke calmly, with a soft and humble voice, and time flew away way to quickly. I wish we had more time. But even with this short conversation, a lot was said.
We started with the feminist issue.
– I would just say, lets start a new feminism movement, ms Ali concluded. The old one is dead. The new feminist movement must address the new challenges to women that we have now, the real challenges. In Europe and the western world those come from radical Islam and from the left. According to the left, everything that that don’t fit into their world of multiculturalism, is bad. But the thing is that multiculturalism is bad for women.
– The rights of women are compromised mostly by the intimate sphere, by the husband, the father, the brother, the relatives… The more influence, the harder for women to emancipate themselves. The principles of the multiculturalism are group focused, and when you combine it with sharia law that Islamic law is about, this combination produces a reality that robs women of their dignity, their rights, and dehumanize them. We are today not willing to talk about groups of young men from Muslim countries and families that harass women sexually in the west because we are not willing to talk about the behavior of this group, as it is a protected group. This is because multiculturalism divides people into two groups: victims and oppressors. In the western European context the white man is the oppressor and all these immigrant communities are the victims. So multiculturalism doesn’t allow you to look at what goes on with these young men and what they do to women. They come from families and tribal societies were women are seen as cattle. If a woman is not at home and has not covered herself from head to toe, its ok to sexually harass her, it’s ok to rape her. If you talk to the imam and you ask him about the behavior of these young men, then the imam says, well, she has not to be out anyway, they should not dress the way they dress…
You can see here the entire principle of the multiculturalism combined with sharia and tribal culture. It robs women of all their rights. So this is why it’s very clear that if you want a new feminism movement it has to be a new one, the old one is dead. Because what before only applied to Muslim women – forced into marriage, victims of female genital mutilation, child brides, victims of honor violence, honor murders and so on – is risking to spill over to the women of the west.
We talk about women being sexually harassed as they are in public, the freedom that is now under attack. Then we slide over to a discussion about Islam. Can Islam be reformed?

Ms Ali has recently published a short book on the islamistic method of spreading radicalisation, dawa, called ”The challenge of dawa – political Islam as ideology and movement and how to counter it”, according to Wall Street Journal it ”describes the ceaseless, world-wide ideological campaign waged by Islamists as a complement to jihad. (In that interview Ms Ali says, the greatest threat facing the West and “could well bring about the end of the European Union as we know it.” America is far from immune, and the book is an explicit attempt to persuade the Trump administration to adopt “a comprehensive anti-dawa strategy before it is too late.”)
Are there ”different” kinds of Islam?
– No, there is only one Islam, the unreformed kind. But there are three types of Muslims. I call them the medina, the mecka and the reformers. The medina muslims follow the Islamic legacy , the Muhammad, the Quran, the traditions, everything, and they apply the legacy from medina. That is where Muhammad started the jihad wars, that started sharia and all that. Then you have the mecka muslims, they are numerous I think, they are not political, they don’t care really so much about the religion, and they are generally tolerant. The third group are the people who are now rising up, they don’t want sharia, they want tolerance, freedom, equality between men and women but they do not have the doctrinal backing to do that. Some of them become ex-muslims, and others just lecture about these things. So to this day Islam is not divided, its just one Islam.
In Europe the problem of the radicalised jihadist returning and threatning the open society with the risk of commiting terror crimes. Is it possible to deprograme a jihadi? How should we deal with them?
Ms Ali thinks for a second.
– Well my opinion is, look, European countries have survived Nazism and radical communism, how did countries deal with that afterwards? People had to be educated in why those ideologies were bad. If you want to get rid of the problem of radical Islam, you have to educate young people that are targeted for dawa on why political Islam is bad, why sharia is bad. Why this brings inequality, oppression, violence and death. That is what you need to do. There is now way around this.
Can western civilization learn anything from Islam?
– From Islam?
Ms Ali sounds doubtful.
– The most urgent lesson that western civilization needs to learn about this is that Islam is a conquering doctrine. It’s a doctrine of domination and they are winning grounds through its radical agents, movements like Muslim Brotherhood, and through countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. They all have an agenda of domination. That is what the west needs to know.
So how should west deal with this?
– Do you know when you are in a state of emergency, for example like when you are dealing with a lethal disease like Ebola? We need a sense of urgency like that in order to fight dawa. It’s the biggest threat because it targets the mind of the human being. The young, the vulnerable are to be converted. That’s what dawa does. Dawa is the virus of the mind. And if you don’t go after dawa, but only after jihad, which is terror, you are fighting the symptom, not the cause.
According to Ms Ali, the western worlds obsession with the jihad is wrong. You cant win unless you go to the roots of the ideology. Otherwise, new groups and fighters will emerge.
– That’s why I have to go back to my comparison to diseases like Ebola. If you have an outbreak of say tuberculosis in your country, what happens? It’s an emergency situation, everybody comes together, they forget about their political differences, they say ”how do we deal with this epidemic”, right? And that’s what you have to do.
Is there any chance of assimilation? Or is a clash between sharia and constitutional law inevitable on the long run in Europe?
– Well, the clash you are talking about is already on the way. But of course it’s not inevitable that Europe will be taken over by Islam, or become so destabilized so civil wars break out and Europe becomes just like the Middle East and Africa. But the clash is already on the way.
What is your advice on what to do?
– What really needs to happen is for the assimilation program to be implemented so quickly as possible in order to avoid severe problems. Think about it. Europe has dealt with so many issues. People had to adjust to an industrial revolution, they had to survive two world wars and the aftermath of that. When euro was implemented I was there, it was a big operation. If you are asking me if it is possible for your people to take on a big project on assimilating Muslims, yes, its possible, but the question is not of possibility, the question is of the political will. And I don’t know if the political will is there? Look, there have been elections in France, in the Netherlands; the elections in Germany lay ahead. Everybody agrees that the situation is under pressure.
– One important factor is to control immigration to Europe. Right now Europe does not have controlled immigration; the second is that Europe does not have a credible assimilation project that works, and third: Europe haven’t made a priority to stop the huge inflow of immigrants from Africa and Middle East.
She continues:
– I don’t think immigrants come to Europe with the agenda to take over. But the Muslim leaders tell them that they should do that. I will give you an example, people are leaving Turkey and go to Germany to search for a better life there, they don’t have an agenda to Islamize Germany, but the leader of Turkey is saying to the Muslims in Germany to have as many babies as they can , that this is the way to conquer Europe. The Muslim leaders are spending a lot of money in Germany building mosques, and these are things that Germany do not stop. It is in the name of national security, but Germany is not doing that. And neither is Holland, or Sweden… So, in a way, yes, the radical Islamists want to conquer and to dominate, and the European establishment is making it way to easy for them. And this is in fact an emergency. This is why I compared it to Ebola.
And the women are standing in the middle of it?
– Earlier the ones who suffered were only Muslim women hidden behind the curtains of those ghettos, but now this problem has spilled over to the rest of society. The flow of immigration is not stopping, is not becoming less, and the assimilation projects are almost non-existent…
Our time is ending here. Ms Ali is moving on, to next interview, she has a lot of them since the topic is hotter than the weather in south of Spain. The mission is never ending, the conversations keeps going on. Me, I take the words about the new feminism with me. The old one is dead; we have to invent a new one, a realistic one, I guess a brave one.
As brave as Ayaan Hirsi Ali herself.



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